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Alright, thank you very much for your help today

Could you give us a bit of an introduction of yourself please?

Hi, i’m jacob

i’m yutaro’s housemate

Housemate!

I am currently at the university of sydney, not too far from where we live

I study finance and business analytics

Which basically is like applied mathematics and computer coding

Well it sounds smart man

that’s all I know

Maybe

It sounds very smart

Is it three years in university or four years in university?

Because i’m doing two majors

You are doing two majors?

Yeah so finance and business analytics

the degree itself is a bachelor of commerce

You will get literally two degrees?

Yeah

Really?

Pretty much

I don’t think we have that system in Japan

So two majors is within one degree

But it’s like i have two specialties within that major

Some of the students, though, they might do a bachelor of arts

As well as a bachelor of law

And that might take five six years

It’s a bit of a different system from japanese universities I guess

Because most of japanese universities

As long as you don’t go like doctor courses or something

Usually four years

But in Australia it sounds like Three years universities are common?

I would say three is probably the most common but

Once you start putting things together

You can get four or five years

And then if you’re doing medicine get ready for 10.

I didn’t know that

My brother he’s 33

And he’s just finishing up

So you’re currently what’s your grade?

So i’m in my last year so that’s my fourth year and

A lot of my friends are in their fifth years and third years

Some of them are finishing some of them are continuing

Alright so this is your last year?

This is my last year only six more months to go

So today i want to talk about job hunting in Australia

Because it sounds like the system of job hunting in australia and japan it’s a little bit different

I mean each country has you know their own way

But i want to find you know what the differences are there

And then i want to conpare

So in japan there’s some certain season for job hunting

Most of japanese uni students probably start like attending

An Internship when you’re in third grade

Because like i said in japan there’s uh many four years universities

I mean not everyone some people do internship

When I was in university I didn’t do internship

I just directly went to like job hunting started job hunting

Then around the time people start like the final year like here last year of the university

They start literally start attending to information seminars

Where company introduced themselves to the students

And then finally after a couple of months later

The student literally started taking interviews and stuff

Successful applicants get the invitation from the company

sounds like

So, the question is going to be like this: In Australia, do you guys have a certain season for job hunting like Japan? Or like, people literally start whenever they want to do?

Well, it’s a bit of a mixture but usually, around February that’s when a lot of companies will release job advertisements.

They spend about four months in that whole process. They leave it open from February to April, maybe.

February to April. What are they gonna do?

That’s for applications.

Usually it’s your resume, your cover letter, which is usually a one whole page of your statement why you wanna work in the company and why do you think you’re worth it,

Alright

But also, it’s so different now um, across different companies. So my experience has been sometimes, I’ve had to play a video game-

To test my ability to detect how much risk I’m taking.

Yeah, for example, there’s one when I have to pop the balloons in a computer screen-

And that would assess how much risk I take. So for financial companies, they can gauge how much of an asset I’ll be taking based on the risks I am taking. In certain situations, including just popping balloons.

That’s very interesting.

Sorry, I’m not too sure if Japanese companies have this way or not, because I’ve been here for a long time, obviously. But that sounds interesting, and it’s very, I mean.. It makes sense.They can literally see what you can do in the company.

There was another one, like you’re in an email, you’re in a private email, and you have a bunch of emails coming in, and you have to reply to them. Like, how are you gonna reply to them in a business setting?

Are they doing that in a.. What do you call that? In the application season?

Yeah, so there’s like a test, and it’s basically a computer sending you messages. And you have to reply to those messages and then they’ll see how you respond.

Really? That’s interesting. Because in Japan, it’s similar in the beginning, you know. You send your CV, your resume which says who you are, what are you good at, what are you not good at, and also why did you choose this company, what can you do in the company, you know, that sort of thing.

It’s pretty similar to Australia, but then, we have a test, I had a test, but it’s more like a knowledge test, it’s very basic, you know. It’s not really good to say but, they’re just checking if you’re not dumb.

But I think that’s more difficult than that.

Yeah we also have that one, they call it cognitive test.

And there’s usually three or four things that they test. Usually your numerical skills, so your general maths, your reading skills, how you interpret, and your logic which is your ability to see patterns. And then the last one could be a lot of different things. It could be another video game.

It depends on the company, right?

Yeah, exactly.

So what do you think about this?

If you search Google about job hunting overseas, many articles will say, many Japanese companies prioritise potential on hiring someone, which basically means that, they are looking for someone who gradually, you know, after being trained, they become beneficial for the company.

Whereas in foreign countries, maybe including Australia, they prioritize the ability, or, people who are literally ready to start working on the stocks? Is it true? Do you feel like this?

It definitely can be like that, um, and I think that depends on the company, so maybe for all of the companies in Japan, it’s all potential. And I would say, it probably applies to Australia as well,

Like big banks , or?

Yeah, like a big bank for example, it is all about potential because they say, like, look for your cognitive ability, you might not have any experience for banking, but if they can see, at least see that you can learn things easily, they can take you on because-

It’s all about your ability to learn and hold information.

That’s more like Japan, hey?

But then sometimes, you might have a start-up company, like a very small company-

For example like, Atlassian is now the biggest company in Australia,

They started off in a small office which is two guys,

But then as they started to recruit more people, they needed to hire more experienced people right off the bat.

Like, people who can literally start right on the spot?

Okay, so it depends on the company but you say, generally, big companies look at the potentia, whereas the small companies look at the ability more.

So when you do job hunting in this country, do you have some common sense, or some certain rule? So in Japan, for example, you can’t have a moustache or beard, or also, you have to have nice hair. It can’t be like, Afro, or too long, or something like that and also you have to have black hair. We also have recruitement suit, so it’s like a shitty looking suit, pretty much.

It doesn’t look good. But, I don’t know why they do that. Do you have something like this in Australia?

I would say yes and no. There are some weird ones and there’s some pretty self-explanatory ones.

Tell me.

The weird one is, I have a friend who works in a law firm, and when he first joined, he was told that he had to wear a navy suit.

Navy suit, okay.

Because all the bosses have to wear grey.

Okay, they have to make sure that they look different?

It’s not my experience, because I can wear whatever the color suit that I want to wear, but I know that there are some companies that have weird things like that. That is just a bit strange. Doesn’t really make sense. But aside from that, a more common things is like,

You generally treat all your co-workers politely. I’m sure that applies to Japan as well.

But, what would you wear when you go job hunting? Like, literally like, interviews and stuff. Do you have to wear black suit?

No. So in the interview, you just want to look professional. If you’re going to a big

company, a big corporate company, wearing a tie is a bit much, but always dressing up and making sure you look good and professional is always a plus.

So there’s no dress code?

No dress code.

You just have to look good?

What about beard and moustache though?

That’s fine.

Yeah, if you got one like me after a few weeks, that’s not fine.

Okay, if you want to have a beard, you have to have a proper beard.

Yeah

And you have to shave it in a nice shape?

Yeah, same thing with hair, it needs to be neat.

You can’t have lighting strikes on the side of your-

Okay, but even if you have long hair, as long as it’s tidy and neat-

Yeah, yeah. One of my colleagues has long hair and he ties it up.

Okay, it’s really fun to ask this kind of question because it’s so different.

I’m not saying which one is better or not, but it’s a bit more strict and limited in Japan.

I would say, Japanese movies as well or depictions of business culture of Japan kind of reflects that.

I think so, yeah.

Because when I see a business setting in whatever, a movie or something, it seems more strict and more like, homogenous.

Every suit looks kinda similar, there’s not much difference in what people wear.

Also, I would say that there is not much freedom on advertisement, like when you are in advertisement, people have to look really nice and neat. But in Australia, it’s the same, but at the same time it’s not really the same because people have tattoos on a TV commercial.

Things like that are a bit more free in this country.

I think this is because of the diversity, there are lots of cultures here,

So they respect those aspects as long as you’re not hurting anyone.

Tattoos are more of a norm in Australia compared to Japan, right?

Oh yeah, definitely.

It’s becoming a bit more open, like, I have tattoos, when I went job hunting when I was a uni student, I obviously had to hide.

So even after you’re hired, when they see your tattoo, they might change their mind?

Yeah, there were many controversial issues before like, especially if you are doing a government job, like you’re working in a service center or something, and they found out that you have a tattoo, there were controversial things like, if you can fire him or her, or legally not.

But they eventually fired the person, I think.

Because of the tattoo.

Yeah, you definitely could not do that in Australia.

It’s gonna be a big problem, right?

Yeah so there is a bit of difference there.

What’s the minimum annual salary you can compromise as a first-year worker?

It depends on the industry, but I think the median salary for first year out of uni is something around xx xx to xx xx thousand dollars.

It’s all up for negotiation.

Negotiation?

When we do job hunting in Japan, we have to be careful about companies which are called “Black Company” In Japan .

Do you have something like this in Australia?

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